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Roosters Modding Tips

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Roosters Modding Tips

Postby Rooster on Fri Aug 29, 2008 12:26 pm

Ok
I've attached some ez to use TEMPLATES to this post
A blank TT.mis and TGE.mis and .ter templates that are set correctly

Now...
Heres some things i learned in my experience

Some you already know - some might be helpful


First off lets talk TGE SETTINGS

1. First go to the Terraform Editor and set the minimum height setting in General to 100
and the Elevation 75
This keeps the scrum from bouncing to much

Now you can go higher than 100 if you'ld like
but if you're total height exceeds 200 then adjust your mission ceiling height
accordingly. Default in stock TT mis files is 200



2. Set your mission area to -256 -256 512 512

Theres a couple of reasons for this

A. It mimickes the TT default - allowing you to gauge map size by eye

B. The less pixels you impose on a video card the better the frame rate
(Double the map size is double the pixels)


3. To get the correct size by eye - Keep the playable area to between 1/3
and 1/2 of your "red outlined mission area"


4. Go to the Mission Inspector and scroll down to the Map section
Set as follows...

squareSize = "8";

bump = "1";

bump offset = ".01";

ZerobumpScale = "8";

Make sure of these settings so your TGE will match your TT and then WYSIWYG
(What You See Is What You Get)


5. Set Fog level 80 - You'll adjust this later



Now lets talk TGE TECHNIQUES

Heres what i do to make the process fast - Strictly your option

1. Once I have generated a map, I go to Window - Terrain Editor
Then Camera - Camera Fastest
Then Edit - Terrain Editor Settings - Set height at 10 meters. Click OK
Then Choose Brush - 25x25 and
Action - Set Height.
Then cut away (left click) everything outside the Red Square.


2. Cut out the basic shape of your map - with a design in mind
Then set a temporary fog height (approximately)


3. Study whats left and make big changes to create enough bowls or flats
(Using - Add Dirt or Excavate or Adjust Height)


4. Now switch to Smooth - Brush 9 x 9 and fly in a circle around the perimieter - slope
smoothing the edges to the "water line"


5. Circle once more with the excavation tool and touch edge of brush to edges that are jagged
Click and hold till the jagged edge is gone


6. Now for the top edge of the perimeter, I either Smooth - Brush 5 and Top Edge Smooth the
map or Add/Sub dirt - Brush 5 where needed.
When I Add or Subtract I use gentle left right brush strokes to layer the map.


7. In Mission Inspector - Adjust Fog Height To within 10-15 meters of the edge


8. Postion over yourself over the map and Toggle camera to the player (Alt+W) and walk the perimeter,
using Adjust Height - Brush 1 and fix the imperfections on the edge


9. Now walk a spiral to center of map - Adjusting bowls and smoothing edges and transitions
i.e. - I adjust with Brush 9 or 5 and smooth with 3 or 5
To smooth a large area - sometimes I walk backward down the hill and sweep as I go.
Or at a distance I would smooth the top edge of a hill or mountain


10. Before I put anymore work into finalizing the map - I bring is into TT and measure the it.
Drive N/S and E/W to determine the drive time - I just count one 1000s to see what is needed
and get a feel for the layout.
Note: The PSL standard for a 4v4 is no less than 15x15 and no more than 24 x 24 seconds
Also note that Stock TT maps are about this size as well - I sized the original maps and if you spawn
opposite the max drive time is approx 20 seconds.


11 Go back to TGE to adjust size and repair any major flaws - Save out and retest in TT


12 Finish any thing not right - Adjust any irregularities and then its time for the paint job


Next - Test it in TT again.
Don't release it to the general public till you are satisfied it drives well.



OK now lets talk

MIS FILE TWEAKS


1. Visibility 500 and Fog distance 300

Why you ask? - Simple! LAG
These settings dramatically increase Frames per second

2. I use an blank TT lush mis file as a template (included in attachments) - This avoids the
incompatable Sun - Sky features of TGE

3. Check your Mis area - This should be set to the TT default - -256 -256 512 512

4 Check Filght Ceiling - adjust if neccessary

5. Match your fog level to the TGE map you just created

6. Rename the Terrain section to your new map name


Finalizing the MOD

Right off the bat I'm gonna say I use MODWIZ for most everything

If I wanna get fancy - I set a single rock at each location in TT and go back to TGE to make
nice rock piles.

I never set trees in TGE. I perfer the "test as placing" methods of MW - Later I will edit the
paths in the mission file for Xpack trees.

All this ^ is because for me, the most important factor in my maps is playablility.
By setting most everything with MW in TT I can test arrow paths and set tricks with
precision.

Second I will share my order of operation:

1st - Add Arrows and jumps and test for fly offs
2nd - Set Air goals
3rd - Add rest of goals and Gate
4th - Retest and tweak arrows if needed
5th - add objects in TT and test drive jumps looking for collisions
6th - Adjust if needed and share with small group of testers
7th - When totally finished upload to ReagentX for inclusion in MOD PACK Udpates

Finally in no particular order

MODDING TIPS

1. For PSL maps only use Stock items and skins - I have had cool maps passed over for an XPACK
object. Other peeps host this so make it simple

2. Use only 4-5 (well if the map is 24 x 24 maybe 6-8) jump combos. Less equals more.
Try for maximum effect with minimal effort but beware of dead zones.

This is the most tested aspect of my maps. I study and test these to give
maximum coverage with no Fly offs and minimal collisions along the intended path.
Avoid double jumps - i.e. arrow to arrow and off...and my pet peeve, Nose dives into hills


3. When setting the arrows and airgoals - I jump each jump A bunch of different directions -
hooking and slamming till the arrow feels right and then I add a temp goal just as I land
Often coming back to adjust the goal's rotation and final location. (Uh...delete and reset)

* Never make more than 6-8 tricks per map and not always making them ez...

* To see better I use crtl + y after I place first goal to light up all spawns

* Pay attention to color of goal - and sides of map. Read #4...

4. When I set goals I pay attentions to TBM concerns - Pick sides Green and Blue
and place goals and Gate accordingly - This way its an either / or map. In scrum its random
for all spawns in a game. But in TBM your Team color matches the COLOR of the goal you set

Hey you never know, I've had some maps picked up for TBML

5. For the rest of the goals - I distribute them in a balanced manner
For a 15 x 15 i shoot for total of 16 goals. For a 24 x 24 I would go as high as 20(10 of each
color) Of course these are guidelines, not rules

6. Edge goals! The most determining factor when setting an edge goal is first bounce.
Drive to where you want to set the goal. Now level your reticle to horizon and spin in place.
Watch the reticle as it rises and falls and you will know the angle of the ground
and which way "first bounce" will be when the flag drops. You will want it to bounce inboard!
If it dont, then move to a spot on themap that is angled in your favor.

Hey I know that sometimes theres momentum when a flag spawns
But I have found that this way, the edge spawns are more likely to stay in.

7. I cannot say this enough...test - test - test the game play in a locked server
Add or remove or relocate any objects - check for collisions and retest
Then scare up a 4 on 4 and play it - HARD


Mind you this just me
Glean out what compliments your style

Roos
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Re: Roosters Modding Tips

Postby Dazzle on Fri Aug 29, 2008 1:00 pm

Quality info there Roo, a true mapmakers guide from a moddin legend, lets hope some of the new and upoming modders take serious note of your advice, thanks for posting this tips, hey I just learnt something new as well - just goes to show :woot:

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Re: Roosters Modding Tips

Postby Mr Phobik on Fri Aug 29, 2008 1:29 pm

Wow, thank's Roo!
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Re: Roosters Modding Tips

Postby *Stiffler on Fri Aug 29, 2008 1:41 pm

X so much i was doing the long way on the edges
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Re: Roosters Modding Tips

Postby firestorm on Fri Aug 29, 2008 2:38 pm

Thankyou Rooster,
This really needed to be posted as The use of the Torque game engine is more popular many terrible maps have been produced :tankerdown: and thanks to this tutorial we can have a true modding guide to crafting a true mod
well done roo! :thumbup:
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Re: Roosters Modding Tips

Postby *Stiffler on Fri Aug 29, 2008 5:21 pm

i have noticed the very bad mods to it looks like it took them an hour to make i know mine arnt that good but atleast i take my time to try to get it right
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Re: Roosters Modding Tips

Postby Hallucination on Fri Aug 29, 2008 7:13 pm

Great tips! I think I'll try to make new terrains again.
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Re: Roosters Modding Tips

Postby Shietzen McGrege on Sun Sep 07, 2008 8:23 am

Thanks roo good advise
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Re: Roosters Modding Tips

Postby Ice_Hawk on Sun Sep 07, 2008 6:34 pm

wow I'll keep them in mind when i mod
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Re: Roosters Modding Tips

Postby Matt-Ectl-Xp- on Fri Oct 10, 2008 11:07 pm

Wow Good Job Roo Now I Dont Have Too Cook You :) lol
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